secular humanist vs atheist

As for me, I work it out this way: we don’t know what we don’t know and as long as we don’t know everything we cannot logically assert that such-and-such does not exist. I am looking to set up a local meetup in my town (Nanaimo) relating to atheism and am wondering what name to use? Others never develop diabetes ever. Otherwise, I, as well as countless other atheists, are perfectly willing to “discuss the god question in a more relaxed way,” provided the other party is willing to “discuss” and not just proselytize, otherwise there is no discussion. I am a whole-hearted Christian who grew up in a small, local baptist church. Online, in proper debate rooms, I debate. Actually I think that’s the very wall that prevents understanding the full perspective of having a relationship with God. 3. Some people love romance, others hate it. There is no need to resubmit your comment. It’s simple, do we recognize that we have become the caretakers and conservers of the web of life on planet Earth out of which we were born, or do we continue to assume that the natural bounty that sustains us is our natural right? I respect your view, but in explaining your point you invariably did exactly what you said humanist shouldn’t do. I never knew that being a humanist means that you have to be an atheist. If you’ve done your research, then you’d learn that, to be humanist, it means you essentially believe in humans and respect peoples’ differences (which, unfortunately, varies widely from today’s most prevalent idea of Christianity – not bashing on Christianity, just being honest). A divine eternal being seperated from his own essence through the insertion of a false ego concept and thus a false will. 2. As a Christian, I didn’t understand the difference between humanism and atheism and it seemed odd to advocate a disbelief in something, namely God. Comte presented his philosophy as response to anti-religious sentiment and social malaise of revolutionary France. The best one can say is that you have no choice but to think you’re free. Humanism is something whole and real and full of the belief that people are the source and the focus of love. That’s why it’s said(in so many words) that man must surrender unto God. Now DON’T GET ME WRONG, I’m NOT being judgemental towards people who opt for these kinds of solutions and philosophical approaches in life. I used to spend a lot of time rebutting people who were incredibly angry that I dared to think differently, but these days I’m more at peace with the idea that you can’t think for anyone but yourself and that each person must choose their own way, and ask themselves difficult questions before they can reach any kind of understanding. Despite all of the above, if a god should appear, I’d consider it, and its dogma very carefully and should it be legit, I would recognize it, though I might not adhere to the dogma. I may have some disagreements, but hey, disagreement is not the barrier towards further knowledge and understanding. I am open minded to all views, in order to understand those of others as well as to confirm or discredit my own faith. Roni, this is where our perspective is very different, atheism is not a religion. Neuroscience and other scientific studies shows that non human animals feel pain as we humans do, feel grief and fear and mother love, have social bonds and protective instincts, have a similar imperative to be free and contented. Atheism does not signify any conviction that God does not exist; rather the idea is the absence of belief that God is real. I choose the term “atheist” to take a stand against the legislation and historic revisionism of this country, but aside from my political reasoning for the term, I am a secular humanist, a person who falls soundly under the Humanist umbrella. I understand anthropology and the material/natural world. It just means you don’t believe in God, any of them. Indeed, it is foolish to be a humanist if one were only afraid to admit openly or publicly to being an atheist also. You won’t like it, but morality isn’t fixed; everything changes, including that. Resistance to this judicial secularism increasingly manifested itself in the Moral Majority movement, in which the organized Christian Nov 8, 2016 - Explore Chic Life with Amy's board "Secular Humanism", followed by 592 people on Pinterest. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail, Written by : tapas. In fact, you are so busy trying to prove your truth is right, that I question whether you truly see me at all. When she came home crying from school at the age of 5, I asked her why she was so upset….a christian child asked her what church she attended…she said she didn’t go to church…the child then told her she would burn in hell. But ironically, their sincerity has been misappropriated and hijacked by those who insist that any defense of a secular constitution is fundamentally un-American. It does require dissolution of the entire concept of ego. Atheism does not require conviction that God/Goddess does not exist, though there are atheists who have such strong convictions. However, if you mean groups of people subscribing to the rules of human reason and experience rather than nonhuman, divine beings, they would be religious. To my detriment, I believed them, and in the progress, I ignored what was right before me. So you believe so that you can have an afterlife, regardless of how horrible people are in this life right. And what do I mean by “values”? There are no gods in my or this world…however, I am always open to change my mind should proof of one appear. Phillip Wollen said famously of the 10 000 terrified animals slaughtered globally every minute ..” If slaughter houses had glass walls we would all be vegetarians” . One does not imply or justify or create the other. Just yesterday someone asked me what church I go to, I said I didn’t go, She told me I would be welcome to come with her to her church (United) next Sunday. We humans are pretty smart; we can figure it out as we go. Thank you for these posts! Purchasing erotic lingerie is sadly something nearly all women do alone, Give me book, chapter, and verse in the Bible for your evidence, and we can talk. While our Founders were masterful in their creation of a democratically elected republic, they were apprehensive of the “tyranny of the majority.” In a Christian majority society, we need to remember that secular values define our pluralistic and democratic government, and what makes us truly exceptional is our respect for all individual citizens, Christian or not. But one thing I would love to challenge all Secularists (i.e. Excuse me, my claim is I am a Super Hero I can fly, turn invisible, have wicked super strength and read minds…. These are the beautiful teachings of Alma in the Book of Mormon. Having been on atheist lists for 15 years, having attended conventions, I can only wonder, outside of the def. Infidelity – Sexual impurity Plus, just because we are well-behaved, tolerant and respectful people to ourselves and each other “doesn’t mean” that we are all moral and virtuous. During the 1950’s when the “religious” West was fighting “godless” communism the United States made certain religious/political gestures stressing this difference between the two systems: “Under As an Indian I find that very irritating. Belief, faith, hope followed by love in action is the Christ following equation. the earth’s layers and core……and those places and “GODS”……are most likely to be imagination just something for the god freaks to believe in……………….ERROR 404…GOD NOT FOUND! So although someone here said Christianity is exclusive, what I see is that humanism is exclusive too. ultimately established was entirely and deliberately non-theistic, for the Constitution neither endorses, nor opposes any religion.”. Unfortunately, not everyone feels that way and this creates anger —> activism, which creates reactive responses from folks who have not experienced some of the same life tribulations of being atheist in a strongly theistic environment. Goodness, I’d hoped to find more open minded discourse here. Atheism is well defined by Emma Goldman, a renowned atheist writer, as “The philosophy of Atheism represents a concept of life without any metaphysical Beyond or Divine Regulator. However, I have discussed and debated with both believers and secularists on all of these topics, in order to understand each side’s viewpoint. But when it is seeked irresponsibly, resulting in teen pregnancies, abortions, increasing the school drop-out rate, and causing hurtfulness of one’s feelings and emotions; then NO, I’m not for that kind of cultural norm. Action Center GIVE Put your money where your values are. Religion is divisive (i.e. Also, I’m not saying sex is bad and should be avoided at all cost. Morality only needs to confer a net reproductive advantage to a species. Are we spiritual slaves? All people are guilty of hypocrisy, not just Christians. I can think of no better phrase to sum up my point than this: “If it doesn’t hurt you or the other person, and if nobody else knows about it, then it shouldn’t be a problem.”. The reason no man can prove the existence of God is because man exists apart from God. Since no religion does this it’d be very hard to claim to be both a theist and a Humanist simultaneously. whatever facts have been proven still week to believe them either because the human mind is not perfect and if it is perfect, it is still complicated. Once seen for what it is a man can remove himself from the false perception of seperateness and return to the unified wholeness of his own nature. At least not until the first Council of Nicaea. However, in the 1960’s the Supreme Court handed down several decisions limiting religion in governmental affairs: organized prayer was banned from public schools (Schempp); only evolution was to There is little doubt that having a faith can make you feel better. We don’t understand consciousness yet so free will is debatable. We dont believe that we dont believe, we just dont believe, does’nt that make sense? “Why even bother trying to be a good person when you know any thoughts you have are a result of physical factors outside your control.”. I decided to look into humanism after seeing an ad on the bus this weekend. That is my current quest. Wow No bias there! She is one of the most compassionate, empathetic and loving person I know; as most people who know her feel. P.S. This logic has been addressed and found wanting many times. All topics related to atheism, agnosticism and secular living are welcome here. And the Thirdly, he helped a lot of people, was not exclusivist (even assuming there was no such person, biblical records state that the person called Jesus didn’t exclude women, nor judged “sinners”, “ignorant”, “poor” people but was against hypocrisy of all kinds), and, if humanism implies humanitarianism, he (or what you might call the myth of the person called Jesus) was a humanitarian and related to people on a very personal level. now in years and have not changed my mind. We don’t see atoms or energy but we interpret and perceive them through the use of tools. The question of existence or otherwise of God and its creationist role have remained a perplexing and confusing ones, but still remains unanswered for the past thousands of years in the history of mankind. Don Wharton faced with a liberal stance took a clever tactic of emphasizing secular, humanist & scientific positions and alliances such as the AHA and DC Coalition of Reason, rather than starting with atheist ones. So by your theory you will be up there with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dalmer and Adolf Hitler, Veron Wayne Howell ( changed his name to David Koresh -Waco – light them on fire), Matthew Hale ( KKK), Marshall Herff Applewhite, Jr. ( California, suicide because of Hale Bopp), Jim Jones (909 people including 174 children poisoned by Kool-Aid with Cyanide), John C. Salvi (planned parenthood bomber), Timothy McVeigh ( Oklahoma bombing).. etc..etc. Humanism has experienced a cultural evolution of sorts, with origins dating back to Epicurus in Ancient Greece. 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That gap is far more important, in practical terms, than the gap in belief between deists and atheists. Now, for people with open minds and hearts, there’s an emerging third cosmos… Come take a look… http://www.wheretonowstpaul.com/brad/. Bookworm. Is it then a contradiction that Richard Dawkins is a Vice President of the British Humanist Association. They still practice traditions in the Middle East that we find repulsive. “Heaven and hell” are structures to keep the masses “in line,” while “divinely” explaining poverty, abuse, exploitation and human greed and corruption…the veil that justifies and condones truly bad behavior. Some atheists might dispute this, but I believe they are being unnecessarily exclusive, and underrate the need for all of us to work together to combat the pernicious forces of the conservative religious types. If you don’t submit to either of those two beliefs, however, you can be a humanist in practice even if you choose to believe in some higher power. …..Genesis 9.2 “And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth…” The basic tenet of secular humanism is that human beings are capable of being ethical, moral and rational without any supernatural interference of God. The important distinction for me is that humanism is independent of atheism and vice versa. Their sincerity is unquestioned. I hope you read them and feel free to honestly criticize them. Religion is fascinating and only human nature after all; I like to think of it as a form of art. I guess I am a secular humanist… but when some people of faith choose to be so ignorant and close minded and just unwilling to hear, it makes it hard… look, I am a person who does not believe in any gods or spirits or myths… I will admit, that for comfort, I do talk to family or friends that have passed away… but it is merely a comforting feeling.. If atheism is true, all thought, rationality and moral decisions are the consequence of physical processes beyond out control. It is this cohort whose basic misunderstanding and propagandizing of just who we are that needs to be addressed and corrected. Humans are separate individuals. I’ll post another essay when I have pulled these answers together. But if other choose to believe, are they ignorant? Indoctrinated as children that we are incapable of good or moral acts without God and that good and moral acts when they occur are akin to spiritual currency which God then gets to invest while we go on earning it for him. I can list a few more, but those are waaaaayyyyy tooooo controversial, so I’m going to stick with these seven (7) topics. Please do some research. just a question from everyone in this forum, what will the proof of the existence of God will do for you as a person, will it make you a better person or worse, will it make you obey or disobey, for that matter when was the last time in this material world that a painting described its Painter ? Bull fighting, rodeos, are just two well known examples in the west and there are still unspeakably cruel religious ritual mass slaughter of animals in a number of countries involving horses, dogs, sheep and other species. She recommended the movie “Paul” to me recently which was very funny. But it is not a necessary condition to be an atheist. so whoever you are(atheist, humanitarian, muslim, christian, …), you still ignorant and you know nothing and you are unable to know even if you are the cleverest in this world. I respect and thank everyone for their viewpoints. He was a Christian, wasn’t he? Still it was the ethical movement from where the non-religious philosophical meaning of humanism spread in England. Issues like the separation of church and state are very important, and non-believers need to work together with sensible believers to make sure we suffer no return to theocratic tyranny. I suggest you do more research before making such statements. I find a lot of atheists are quite like me. 1 Infighting within the secular humanism faction of atheism 1.1 Kurtz's ouster from the Center of Inquiry leadership position 1.2 Schism within the Sunday Assembly atheist church movement 2 Paul Kurt's lack of a legacy 3 PZ Myers: Humanist awards and his bestiality comments and other ill … I really didn’t understand humanism and actually kind of stumbled upon it. What is moral depends on the particular circumstances at that particular time. The scriptures make some fantastical and illogical claims that were were written by people with barely any knowledge of nature and at a time when the world was abound with all manner of Gods. I ignored the divinity I felt in nature, it was all around me. Founders, also mostly Christian, created a secular federal government; differentiating “We the People” from “a more perfect Union. I find it fascinating, the differences and similarities among religuous beliefs. Because I found I didn’t need to go looking for these answers you claim I need to find. 5. I am of course willing to argue about whether the existence of God has actually been proven. This is a very interesting issue. These are then called proof because everyone can interpret them the same way, if they were under the same ‘doctrine’ as science – point is, if everyone were Christian, the Christian God would be ‘fact’. Anyone saying that needs to do some remedial Bible study. The site features the most excellent stuff from the best suppliers oflingerie online. did we get here?” you may ask. Humans are supposedly the only animals that have developed a moral code. Secular: "Decisions should be made without reference to religious beliefs" Edit: Thanks for the gold! Talk about driving wedges between families when they don’t agree on this stuff. Some historians claim the 5th century Greek philosopher Diagoras as the first proclaimed atheist of the west who vehemently opposed and criticized the idea of religion and mysticism. For the record, I am not anti-Mormon, that would be still allowing Mormonisn to control my life. Thus it is broader than atheism, which concerns only the nonexistence of god or the supernatural. Every aspect of life is monitized. It leads me to conclude they’re all wrong, at least until proven otherwise. After a couple years of trying to define exactly how I felt about religion as a whole, you hit the proverbial nail on the head. Atheism is both the father and mother of humanism. I do not declare or challenge. Why are all humans born with original sin but Jesus gets all the credit for any good that we do? More children raised without the fear, guilt, submission and exploitation of religion would make for a more peaceful and productive planet. I think that the world’s religions are just simply different ways of interpretating a concept completely subjective and we all know that there is no right or wrong in subjection. And that the only sensible way to live in his world is without rules. Join our movement and make change happen in your community. Without women’s minds and creativity, this world has been run into the ground using less than half a brain. I do NOT believe they are “looking down and listening”. Sometimes it’s in one’s best interest to separate or divorce when things are completely hopeless. !” Well then I got confronational -sort of and said Atheists do not kill people and have never had an atheist crusade, I think Christains have done more to harm people that Atheists have… She gave me a dirty look and said I was an ignorant person andshe would pray for me.. You would serve the Humanist movement more effectively if you would not refer to religious types as “conservative”. Again, I’d hope my humanistic ethics would keep me strong enough to face any consequences. When my good is different then your good and my bad is different then your bad is when divisiveness occurs. Well actually it should be “The proof is in the eating…” “The proof of the pudding is in the eating” – is the actual phrase, so a shorthand should be “the proof is in the eating”. Apart from the many wars throughout history that have had their origins at least in part or at least backed by a belief that their gods are on their side it seems that humans of all cultures and religions hold an implicit belief that our fellow species must be dominated or exterminated. Thus atheism means absence of theistic belief. There are so many religions out there, each of them claiming to be true. it’s common sense and we are all born with that… with the exception of a few true sociopaths… ok, off subject… what got me to write was, I think her name was Mary, saying that to non-believers, that when we die we will be unhappy… ok.. well going with your religion… if I do die and there is a good and loving god, as you say, I think he looks at peoples merits in life… how they lived their life, not what they called themselves… so IF there is a magic god… I think I’ll be ok… but I’m not worried, because I will be dead and not have the capacity to worry anymore, lol….. Hi Lisa If I understand correctly, (I don’t have much philosophy background) the humanist tradition started with the Renaissance umanisti, right? Them attitudes so pervasive in current government. I think I can agree with alot of what you believe too, my view I suppose is naturalistic. !..think about it….where could he even be????………..exactly..nowhere. Jesus is the greatest humanist that ever lived … ? Our standards are all over the place and subjectivity in what’s good or bad is not just a believer vs non-believer it’s a human condition. This is why atheists are becoming more vocal – because we’re fed up with hypocrisy. Isn’t it interesting that god is personified as an old white male with dominion over all? It’s easier to deny reality to justify destruction over progressive thinking or actions. Jeffrey Dalmer believed he would go to heaven because he asked Jesus for forgiveness. For the record, I believe that Christianity is simply the belief, based on faith, that God (Jesus) exists and died for my sins because of His grace. Sigh…I guess even I like to keep some illusions, Carl. I’m sorry, but I have to call you out on the “atheists tend toward confrontation with true believers.” As there are always a few zealots in any group of people who feel a certain way, I find this a gross generalization. Religion is only human nature after all.Given, each belief (including atheism), has its own flaws/inclarities, yet only one can be at least the most true. Anyway, what I want to say is, first of all, Jesus lived like an ordinary person. They even discuss these topics in Church Youth Groups, with references to the Gospel. What sets us apart is that atheists are just not religious. The other two ancient Indic religions namely Jainism and Buddhism were founded on the tenets opposed to Hinduism and Vedic ideology, namely creationist God, idol worship and afterlife but these religions cannot be termed as explicitly atheist as both the concept of idol worship and re-incarnation have been accommodated into both of the religions with some modification. I know what I believe, disbelieve and am open minded about. Some atheists are humanists, so your comment should read “one difference between atheists who are not humanists…” I could not conceive of all those dead people walking around the imaginary HEAVEN in the sky. Of the 33 historians living in the Roman Empire(that encompassed Jerusalem), not one historian bothered to mention the man. To be an atheist, it is necessary and sufficient to disbelieve the theistic tenet. 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